Comments on: For real or ala-”The Onion”? http://www.buhaykorea.com/2009/03/29/for-real-or-the-onion/ Pinay, Seoulite, Working Mom, and Wife to a Korean Sun, 12 Feb 2012 14:48:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: drsnowmon http://www.buhaykorea.com/2009/03/29/for-real-or-the-onion/#comment-110181 drsnowmon Thu, 28 May 2009 22:55:38 +0000 http://www.buhaykorea.com/?p=2236#comment-110181 Although I agree with most of your comment, I also agree with why people of Phillipines should be insulted by his column even though I'm not Phillipino. Although I agree with most of your comment, I also agree with why people of Phillipines should be insulted by his column even though I’m not Phillipino.

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]]> By: wendy http://www.buhaykorea.com/2009/03/29/for-real-or-the-onion/#comment-99606 wendy Fri, 03 Apr 2009 06:50:34 +0000 http://www.buhaykorea.com/?p=2236#comment-99606 Hi Betch, I disliked, but not insulted, by Chip Tsao's article. Thus, my silence:-). When I read that he personally requested to meet the people he had offended, I admire his gesture. He admitted that he crossed the line. You're right about the politicos - especially the one who challenged him to a boxing match. What is it that separates men from boys? hehehe. <abbr><em>wendys last blog post..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/myrockingcradle/sloe/~3/oe_judX0TO4/">A Good Book Find</a></em></abbr> Hi Betch,

I disliked, but not insulted, by Chip Tsao’s article. Thus, my silence:-). When I read that he personally requested to meet the people he had offended, I admire his gesture. He admitted that he crossed the line. You’re right about the politicos – especially the one who challenged him to a boxing match. What is it that separates men from boys? hehehe.

wendys last blog post..A Good Book Find

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]]> By: Betchay http://www.buhaykorea.com/2009/03/29/for-real-or-the-onion/#comment-99595 Betchay Fri, 03 Apr 2009 05:21:51 +0000 http://www.buhaykorea.com/?p=2236#comment-99595 Chip Tsao had apologized to the Filipinos and he showed everyone what a big man he is. If only the politicos in the Philippines could do that, apologize for the likes of Louisa who separated from their families to work as servants for some people who could be less educated than them. @arvinsign and Elliot - i really like your batuhan of opinions but they're so long and i'm a busy mother and i have a household to run... but i'll let you two argue since that's a good intellectual exercise and i'm sure that others are learning from you two... Chip Tsao had apologized to the Filipinos and he showed everyone what a big man he is. If only the politicos in the Philippines could do that, apologize for the likes of Louisa who separated from their families to work as servants for some people who could be less educated than them.

@arvinsign and Elliot – i really like your batuhan of opinions but they’re so long and i’m a busy mother and i have a household to run… but i’ll let you two argue since that’s a good intellectual exercise and i’m sure that others are learning from you two…

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]]> By: Elliot http://www.buhaykorea.com/2009/03/29/for-real-or-the-onion/#comment-99592 Elliot Fri, 03 Apr 2009 05:04:19 +0000 http://www.buhaykorea.com/?p=2236#comment-99592 I suggest that you take a quick review of what partial analogies are. They're valid constitutions of any argument. And yeah, I can spend my life in things more worthwhile than rebutting someone else's arguments. Given a chance, I'd dispute great thinkers to prove how much more 'bigas' I should devour. Good thing that you're not affected. I don't want another person adding to the suicide statistics in Korea. And you know what? I really don't mind all this either. Well, at least now I know that you're not that legalistic, callously objective, and a shrug-off on this issue. No one should be. And neither should anyone be over-reactive. <abbr><em>Elliots last blog post..<a href="http://thecakechronicles.blogspot.com/2009/03/switch-that-could-change-world.html">A Switch that could Change the World</a></em></abbr> I suggest that you take a quick review of what partial analogies are. They’re valid constitutions of any argument. And yeah, I can spend my life in things more worthwhile than rebutting someone else’s arguments. Given a chance, I’d dispute great thinkers to prove how much more ‘bigas’ I should devour. Good thing that you’re not affected. I don’t want another person adding to the suicide statistics in Korea. And you know what? I really don’t mind all this either.

Well, at least now I know that you’re not that legalistic, callously objective, and a shrug-off on this issue. No one should be. And neither should anyone be over-reactive.

Elliots last blog post..A Switch that could Change the World

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]]> By: arvinsign http://www.buhaykorea.com/2009/03/29/for-real-or-the-onion/#comment-99583 arvinsign Fri, 03 Apr 2009 03:07:16 +0000 http://www.buhaykorea.com/?p=2236#comment-99583 @ E -- If you want conversation, lets have it in a mature way. I know for a fact that you dont like my arrogant, "know-it-all" tone, since its obvious in every response that you make (at least for every comment that i post)..you are not alone. So move on, it doesnt affect me and you can spend the rest of your life feeling bad about it if u want. As far as i know, im just trying to voice out a personal opinion, playing a devil's advocate which i believe is a fair one. ad hominem? Read again all your posts. -- Im just asking that you set aside our personalities and instead focus on the subject. That means i dont care about you as a person and vice versa. Post an argument regarding this article as opposed to my views then we start from there. ""What if I write something about your mom with words of Tsao’s satire? Would you still respect his opinion and move on as if nothing has been said?"" -- Irrelevant. If you want to give an analogy, then use an analogy in the same proportion as the article above. The article above constitutes an issue that is a probable flash point for a war (China's expansionism in the South China Sea). Why will you write on something that has nothing to do with you personally? So now you get the point. ""I am not forcing everyone to feel the same. But at least, do not act as if freedom of speech absolves anyone from throwing insults bordering on satire, especially at your mom, or worse, towards your nation."" -- Well (unfortunately), i value freedom of speech if written by an individual as his/her personal take. If this article was the official position of the Chinese Govt, then I'll be the first one to counter it. Its not acceptable in my book. Now for the actual issue: -- Everybody will agree that Chip Tsao is "cheap", his journal is cheap as well as everything about him. Why are we sinking to his level then? (as pointed out above). To the point of everybody overreacting, and our politicians making their scenes out of it? and geez one of our respected politician is even challenging this guy to a boxing match?? Humor or not, its not worth it. -- Chip Tsao is not even patriotic. So this is not a case of China vs Philippines. Gather all his articles and you will find that he is a known critic of the HK Government, and known for his provocative articles about some HK/Chinese people in general. -- And where did he wrote this article? HK Magazine, a free journal probably in the same level as the "Libre" that anyone can find in any LRT station. Its not academic, not even prestigious. -- If this article is a deliberate attempt to insult the nation as a whole, then my take is that the best way to counter it is another article from a respected Philippine Journal mentioning or opposing his claims. If we will show as a nation how much we are affected with an individuals opinion (satire or not), then its quite not good for us as a nation. If everyone will ignore him, and will not take his article seriously, and no media or politicians making scenes then he will feel WORTHLESS. This article is in the same magnitude as reading a tabloid like "The Sun" with a headline "UFO's Invading the Earth". --But again, if this article is from the Govt of China, or from any organization there (collective), then I'll respond in a different way. Like everyone else, i was hurt by this article. I was hurt because i realized some of his claims are actually true, though he chose to use derogatory/sarcastic words in expressing it. But the point is im not bothered since i know why the situation is like that at least for filipino DH in HK. In short, i dont believe his arguments. cheers, AS* :) @ E

– If you want conversation, lets have it in a mature way. I know for a fact that you dont like my arrogant, “know-it-all” tone, since its obvious in every response that you make (at least for every comment that i post)..you are not alone. So move on, it doesnt affect me and you can spend the rest of your life feeling bad about it if u want.

As far as i know, im just trying to voice out a personal opinion, playing a devil’s advocate which i believe is a fair one. ad hominem? Read again all your posts.

– Im just asking that you set aside our personalities and instead focus on the subject. That means i dont care about you as a person and vice versa. Post an argument regarding this article as opposed to my views then we start from there.

“”What if I write something about your mom with words of Tsao’s satire? Would you still respect his opinion and move on as if nothing has been said?”"

– Irrelevant. If you want to give an analogy, then use an analogy in the same proportion as the article above. The article above constitutes an issue that is a probable flash point for a war (China’s expansionism in the South China Sea). Why will you write on something that has nothing to do with you personally? So now you get the point.

“”I am not forcing everyone to feel the same. But at least, do not act as if freedom of speech absolves anyone from throwing insults bordering on satire, especially at your mom, or worse, towards your nation.”"

– Well (unfortunately), i value freedom of speech if written by an individual as his/her personal take. If this article was the official position of the Chinese Govt, then I’ll be the first one to counter it. Its not acceptable in my book.

Now for the actual issue:

– Everybody will agree that Chip Tsao is “cheap”, his journal is cheap as well as everything about him. Why are we sinking to his level then? (as pointed out above). To the point of everybody overreacting, and our politicians making their scenes out of it? and geez one of our respected politician is even challenging this guy to a boxing match?? Humor or not, its not worth it.

– Chip Tsao is not even patriotic. So this is not a case of China vs Philippines. Gather all his articles and you will find that he is a known critic of the HK Government, and known for his provocative articles about some HK/Chinese people in general.

– And where did he wrote this article? HK Magazine, a free journal probably in the same level as the “Libre” that anyone can find in any LRT station. Its not academic, not even prestigious.

– If this article is a deliberate attempt to insult the nation as a whole, then my take is that the best way to counter it is another article from a respected Philippine Journal mentioning or opposing his claims. If we will show as a nation how much we are affected with an individuals opinion (satire or not), then its quite not good for us as a nation. If everyone will ignore him, and will not take his article seriously, and no media or politicians making scenes then he will feel WORTHLESS. This article is in the same magnitude as reading a tabloid like “The Sun” with a headline “UFO’s Invading the Earth”.

–But again, if this article is from the Govt of China, or from any organization there (collective), then I’ll respond in a different way. Like everyone else, i was hurt by this article. I was hurt because i realized some of his claims are actually true, though he chose to use derogatory/sarcastic words in expressing it. But the point is im not bothered since i know why the situation is like that at least for filipino DH in HK.

In short, i dont believe his arguments.

cheers,

AS* :)

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]]> By: Elliot http://www.buhaykorea.com/2009/03/29/for-real-or-the-onion/#comment-99569 Elliot Fri, 03 Apr 2009 00:28:04 +0000 http://www.buhaykorea.com/?p=2236#comment-99569 @AS "Elliot or APO" -I don't know what you're talking about. -I believe that there is no ad hominem in my post. Mine is not just for the onions, and especially not for those who try to secure a self-ingratiating, self-indulgent position in any one's blog. -You always hide in the barracks of respect for opinions. But whenever someone reacts to that which you have not scaffolded in your post, you respond as if you're always being challenged. How do you define "respect for opinion"? Respect of your opinion? As I've pointed out, it is but my opinion that whoever didn't feel Tsao's fangs scathing the Philippines as a nation should have his/her patriotism checked. What if I write something about your mom with words of Tsao's satire? Would you still respect his opinion and move on as if nothing has been said? The least thing you could do is to feel irked, and then calm down. Yeah, that's respect for opinion [of someone unworthy of attention perhaps]. I am not forcing everyone to feel the same. But at least, do not act as if freedom of speech absolves anyone from throwing insults bordering on satire, especially at your mom, or worse, towards your nation. @Nk "If you dont agree wd what some people say, then dont. And it doesnt take a professional to speak one’s opinion. Your entitled to share your insights, so are other people." -Of course. What's your point? "thats exactly what i was trying to tell him! people can sometimes be so stubborn and a smartass. TSK!TSK!" -Isn't it ironic, don't you think? tsk. <abbr><em>Elliots last blog post..<a href="http://thecakechronicles.blogspot.com/2009/03/switch-that-could-change-world.html">A Switch that could Change the World</a></em></abbr> @AS
“Elliot or APO”
-I don’t know what you’re talking about.
-I believe that there is no ad hominem in my post. Mine is not just for the onions, and especially not for those who try to secure a self-ingratiating, self-indulgent position in any one’s blog.
-You always hide in the barracks of respect for opinions. But whenever someone reacts to that which you have not scaffolded in your post, you respond as if you’re always being challenged. How do you define “respect for opinion”? Respect of your opinion? As I’ve pointed out, it is but my opinion that whoever didn’t feel Tsao’s fangs scathing the Philippines as a nation should have his/her patriotism checked. What if I write something about your mom with words of Tsao’s satire? Would you still respect his opinion and move on as if nothing has been said? The least thing you could do is to feel irked, and then calm down. Yeah, that’s respect for opinion [of someone unworthy of attention perhaps]. I am not forcing everyone to feel the same. But at least, do not act as if freedom of speech absolves anyone from throwing insults bordering on satire, especially at your mom, or worse, towards your nation.

@Nk
“If you dont agree wd what some people say, then dont. And it doesnt take a professional to speak one’s opinion. Your entitled to share your insights, so are other people.”
-Of course. What’s your point?
“thats exactly what i was trying to tell him! people can sometimes be so stubborn and a smartass. TSK!TSK!”
-Isn’t it ironic, don’t you think? tsk.

Elliots last blog post..A Switch that could Change the World

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]]> By: nikki http://www.buhaykorea.com/2009/03/29/for-real-or-the-onion/#comment-99524 nikki Thu, 02 Apr 2009 16:42:36 +0000 http://www.buhaykorea.com/?p=2236#comment-99524 @arvinsign thats exactly what i was trying to tell him! people can sometimes be so stubborn and a smartass. TSK!TSK! @arvinsign

thats exactly what i was trying to tell him! people can sometimes be so stubborn and a smartass. TSK!TSK!

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]]> By: nikki http://www.buhaykorea.com/2009/03/29/for-real-or-the-onion/#comment-99522 nikki Thu, 02 Apr 2009 16:34:43 +0000 http://www.buhaykorea.com/?p=2236#comment-99522 uuhhhhmmmm! no one's trying to be defensive and no one's appealing. We are merely sharing our opinions on the matter. If you dont agree wd what some people say, then dont. And it doesnt take a professional to speak one's opinion. Your entitled to share your insights, so are other people. Loosen up a bit!:) thnx uuhhhhmmmm!

no one’s trying to be defensive and no one’s appealing. We are merely sharing our opinions on the matter. If you dont agree wd what some people say, then dont. And it doesnt take a professional to speak one’s opinion. Your entitled to share your insights, so are other people. Loosen up a bit!:) thnx

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]]> By: arvinsign http://www.buhaykorea.com/2009/03/29/for-real-or-the-onion/#comment-99519 arvinsign Thu, 02 Apr 2009 16:18:36 +0000 http://www.buhaykorea.com/?p=2236#comment-99519 "I’m really wondering why there’s a need to be defensive." -- You know the answer to this. Just be yourself "Though I’m not a professional journalist, I believe I have a say on publication entries considering my background" -- Ok i respect that, and as you said its your belief. But to be honest, I dont care whatever background that is. I heard that thing so many times. You have the right to express what you want, as well as everybody else. Im enjoying that right too (irregardless of my background). I want to stay anonymous so there's no point of revealing what background i have no matter what it is. ""If you want someone professional for his/her take, go to UP College of Arts and Letters and hear what the professors have to say."" -- And the point is? Why do you have to mention that? Everybody knows that its not even necessary. I dont see the point unless you want to imply something. "And If you keep on appealing to this line: “only a professional whoever can fairly do this and that”, then you’re barring yourself from even making opinions-objective or otherwise-on any topic where you don’t have an MS/MA in." -- You nailed it. I made that point to emphasize that to get a balanced assessment whether this article is satire or not (since all of us have different opinions) then its the professional who will have the say on it. Did i mentioned that everyone is wrong because its just a satire? NO. I said my take is just its a satire (its my opinion). I even mentioned that satire or not, blah blah blah. Now did you mentioned that whoever said that its satire then they are wrong? YES you did. You said "terribly mistaken" to be exact. Its your opinion, and i have to respect it. Did i actually wrote that thing? This is too much of an interpretation for a very simple statement. Please dont distort the words. Btw , this is not rocket science so anyone can write his/her comments. Everyone is equal irregardless of background. And again Elliot or APO or whatever, for the nth time, i will really appreciate if you will just focus on the comments (topic) i made (you can post your objections freely), rather than on me as a person. If you feel offended with my way of writing, then i apologize to you and to anyone else, you are not alone. This is one of the realities of posting comments online. Being too emotional and sensitive is a no-no. This is not personal, we are just having a conversation. If you want to discuss more, it will be better if we will just focus on Cheap Tsao's article. Peace “I’m really wondering why there’s a need to be defensive.”
– You know the answer to this. Just be yourself

“Though I’m not a professional journalist, I believe I have a say on publication entries considering my background”

– Ok i respect that, and as you said its your belief. But to be honest, I dont care whatever background that is. I heard that thing so many times. You have the right to express what you want, as well as everybody else. Im enjoying that right too (irregardless of my background). I want to stay anonymous so there’s no point of revealing what background i have no matter what it is.

“”If you want someone professional for his/her take, go to UP College of Arts and Letters and hear what the professors have to say.”"

– And the point is? Why do you have to mention that? Everybody knows that its not even necessary. I dont see the point unless you want to imply something.

“And If you keep on appealing to this line: “only a professional whoever can fairly do this and that”, then you’re barring yourself from even making opinions-objective or otherwise-on any topic where you don’t have an MS/MA in.”

– You nailed it. I made that point to emphasize that to get a balanced assessment whether this article is satire or not (since all of us have different opinions) then its the professional who will have the say on it. Did i mentioned that everyone is wrong because its just a satire? NO. I said my take is just its a satire (its my opinion). I even mentioned that satire or not, blah blah blah. Now did you mentioned that whoever said that its satire then they are wrong? YES you did. You said “terribly mistaken” to be exact. Its your opinion, and i have to respect it.

Did i actually wrote that thing? This is too much of an interpretation for a very simple statement. Please dont distort the words.

Btw , this is not rocket science so anyone can write his/her comments. Everyone is equal irregardless of background.

And again Elliot or APO or whatever, for the nth time, i will really appreciate if you will just focus on the comments (topic) i made (you can post your objections freely), rather than on me as a person. If you feel offended with my way of writing, then i apologize to you and to anyone else, you are not alone. This is one of the realities of posting comments online. Being too emotional and sensitive is a no-no. This is not personal, we are just having a conversation.

If you want to discuss more, it will be better if we will just focus on Cheap Tsao’s article.

Peace

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]]> By: Elliot http://www.buhaykorea.com/2009/03/29/for-real-or-the-onion/#comment-99517 Elliot Thu, 02 Apr 2009 15:33:38 +0000 http://www.buhaykorea.com/?p=2236#comment-99517 You, OP, and Ms. Betch, and [insert]. Of course there's nothing wrong with that [your 1st comment]. As I've said: Ayo'ko' = 'I' don't like. And that's only me. Actually, I wasn't thinking about arvinsign when I wrote my previous comment. If ever I made a dent on you, that's unintentional--a pure ricochet of your objectively repressed subjectivism, perhaps? Read other blogs and see why I had to write that "ayoko" part. You didn't overreact. That's good. I, too, didn't stage up a protest. I'm really wondering why there's a need to be defensive. Though I'm not a professional journalist, I believe I have a say on publication entries considering my background. I am not making a guess; I am asserting an informed judgment that this indeed tends to be more insulting than satirical. If you want someone professional for his/her take, go to UP College of Arts and Letters and hear what the professors have to say. And If you keep on appealing to this line: "only a professional whoever can fairly do this and that", then you're barring yourself from even making opinions-objective or otherwise-on any topic where you don't have an MS/MA in. <abbr><em>Elliots last blog post..<a href="http://mashineyo.com/?p=194">Around Namsan Park</a></em></abbr> You, OP, and Ms. Betch, and [insert]. Of course there’s nothing wrong with that [your 1st comment]. As I’ve said: Ayo’ko’ = ‘I’ don’t like. And that’s only me. Actually, I wasn’t thinking about arvinsign when I wrote my previous comment. If ever I made a dent on you, that’s unintentional–a pure ricochet of your objectively repressed subjectivism, perhaps? Read other blogs and see why I had to write that “ayoko” part. You didn’t overreact. That’s good. I, too, didn’t stage up a protest. I’m really wondering why there’s a need to be defensive.

Though I’m not a professional journalist, I believe I have a say on publication entries considering my background. I am not making a guess; I am asserting an informed judgment that this indeed tends to be more insulting than satirical. If you want someone professional for his/her take, go to UP College of Arts and Letters and hear what the professors have to say.
And If you keep on appealing to this line: “only a professional whoever can fairly do this and that”, then you’re barring yourself from even making opinions-objective or otherwise-on any topic where you don’t have an MS/MA in.

Elliots last blog post..Around Namsan Park

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